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Post by Pete on May 6, 2008 19:52:39 GMT -5
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Post by Geoffrey on May 6, 2008 21:17:09 GMT -5
Woot!
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Post by Victor Van Alberict on May 15, 2008 1:09:23 GMT -5
What! This I haven't agreed on, you have made a new forum with the name wotar and used almost the same colors as mine, as well a few boards of mine. This is against the law, if you do not change your forum and name then I will have to report this. Cause I wont sit here and watch you destroy the world I created. It was I who made the name War of the Ancient Races(wotar), the main plot, the first wotar forum and the second. How do you think I am now going to make a new one when you already used the name wotar volume 3. This I don't like at all, you have stolen my idea and you didn't even ask for permission from me or the rest of the crew to continue. I wont tolerate that, not at all. You have no right to put this up as an announcement without me letting you. Therefor I will remove this thread soon, as this is not right. Anyway change your forum, specially your forum name or it will have serious consequences. I and the staff crew, whom I knew personally already have planned something like this. However you can not go on with the forum, without agreeing to the one who first made it.
I do like the plot you have made though, but making the vampires being almost destroyed without ever spoken to me about or done it on this forum is completely wrong. I demand justice. And using the name Wotar volume 3 is at least d**n wrong, if you should have made a forum then you should have changed the name cause that name is already taken by us who invented Wotar.
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Post by Mikel on May 15, 2008 14:02:01 GMT -5
I am not one of the admins but i do know something about the rules of proboards. Basically what proboards states is that you can't use copyright information, which none of this is because proboards does not state so i don't believe. If you can find it somewhere in the proboard rules, let me know. But if you think about it, the whole concept is not permitted by proboards. Proboards states that you can't post any threatening information, which us fighting practically is. Look, personally the skin shouldn't matter, the name might but only if you find a copyright law that protects you.
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Post by Victor Van Alberict on May 15, 2008 14:07:13 GMT -5
Very well, then I will speak with them right away. Cause you are using my idea and plot without even asking for permission, its not right. I made this world, which got a soul through many months of being alive. Now your ruining the whole thing by making this.
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Post by Mikel on May 15, 2008 15:49:04 GMT -5
Alright, well go and talk to them. But, i am just saying that they didn't keep your plot, they changed it and made a new one so...
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Post by Victor Van Alberict on May 15, 2008 18:10:27 GMT -5
Yeah, I read the plot and they continued it from where it stopped on this forum. Which means they have used mine as basic for their own, they also have used the same rules for each race in the race info. There its almost exact the same, which i can rapport. I spoke with them and if these who made the page don't answer within a week, then I will have to rapport it. However it is anyway stealing what you people have done, compromises will have to be made before an agreement can be reached or it`ll go worse.
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Post by Mikel on May 16, 2008 12:09:43 GMT -5
You do realize Victor, that the only reason they had to do this was because you and admin staff had been inactive for quite a while. I mean, personally i would have done the same thing. They created characters that they fell in love with and when that came close to ending, they didn't want it to so they did the only logic thing; which was create another board. You really can't have a case against the name of the board seeing as how you can't copyright something that doesn't exist. You can't copyright and idea. I mean, ideas are taken and manipulated all the time and then the original people that had them before the big corporations thought of them come looking for compensation but don't get it because they had no patten or copyright. I don't want to seem rude or anything, but that is simply what the legal system has to say about this. I have been using proboards for about seven years now and i am had my fair share of the legal rights of proboards because i am writing a book based off of one of my boards and i had to ask permission from several people about using their characters along with other legal things. All i am saying is that they don't have the same plot and a continuation of the same plot is not against the law. Also, like i said, the board name can not be against the law because it is not copyrighted as long as it is only in your mind. Had you told them about this new board then they would probably have helped you make it, as would I. But seeing as how they had no idea and you had no responded or done anything in a while or shown any signs towards that end, they acted on their own and in my opinion or entitled to that action. So technically there isn't anything to go all legalistic about. You can't actually sue these people or do really anything else legally. I mean ,i suppose you could be mad and demand compensation, but i don't think you would get far. I am sure they would make you some sort of admin and write you into the history of you wanted. The only way what they did could be illegal was if they were selling it. Other than that, there is no case against them. But you don't have to listen to me and by all means, talk to the proboards people, they should know more than me anyway, but i am fairly certain i am not mistaken. Please tell me if i am and use proof please. I like to be corrected through evidence.
PS: I totally sound like a spokesperson right now....wow.....darn my relationship ties...
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Post by Victor Van Alberict on May 17, 2008 7:21:32 GMT -5
Very well, if you want evidence then here they are. support.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=support&action=display&thread=241542&page=1I have given a few links on that support site, showing how similar the things they have made is with mine. It should be enough proof there to see I have a case and that I can use that against them. I myself have worked with proboards for 5-6 years now and I wont let any noob take over just like that without asking, if they made a new page then they should at least have asked so that I knew about it. Since this is a forum who many have wanted to make a book or movie about, which makes it important. I told you all I would never let this site die, cause my friends are here and the plot is good. If I cant win this case, then I can at least make sure they never are on my forums again. Not the threads, not their acounts..anything. Cause stealing is against the law, now these have stolen my idea and used it for their own. They could at least have made their own story with another name, then this would not been needed. They have also copied things from my boards without asking, something that is in the copyright laws. For example these..this is my page: wotarvolume2.proboards47.com/index.cgi?board=rulesforrpg&action=display&thread=170This is theirs: wotarvolume3.proboards85.com/index.cgi?board=2&action=display&thread=15The rank system of theirs is exactly like I invented and wrote, that is against the law. A forum who is still able to see is still alive, if this had been shut down then I would have closed it or deleted it. |
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Post by Mikel on May 17, 2008 11:04:18 GMT -5
OK, so it seems to me that the only thing we have to do is change a few words around, perhaps get a different description of the vampire houses. The rules are the written my Arai and those are fine, the board descriptions can not be reported and we don't have the same color scheme as you because only i know how to use code over there and well, i haven't done anything with it. It seems to me that the only thing that needs to be changed to make this legal is to change a few of details like the vampire houses. Like they said on the support board, it isn't illegal. The plot is not the same and it is legal to use a continuation. Either way, i will contact the tech people and talk with them about what we need to do. I can assure you that the name won't be changed and the colors...maybe, some of the minor details will, such as anything we copied word for word.
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Post by Pete on May 17, 2008 23:38:22 GMT -5
Vic, you know we're not stealing wotar, we're giving it a facelift. As admin of the new site, it was my intention from the beginning for you to join and of course i would have given you global mod/admin powers yourself. This is not treason, we know that wotar is your baby. Buuut, since this site is effectively dead considering that nobody has posted here in... forever... and Yourself, Alena, and Julie havent been seen in ages... i think its about time we put it into the hands of people who have the time to run it. Now what most staff members do is keep members posted on what exactly IS being planned, not holding secret and possibly non-existent meetings about a plot that has stopped progressing months ago. You may be the father of wotar, but admit it, youve long since abandoned it, so, wer essentially adopting it. As for the skin, dont even say anything about the skin. Unless you have the color black patented, you got nothin on me. I actually made that skin from scratch, with the amazing [enter random hex here] function. And hey, lets not pretend that the staff was vital anywayz. Last time i checked, you provided us with the story and we the members did the vast majority of the posting... so in my opinion, this is OUR story now. Oh, and this is totally awkward with Tyler on my side. Yeay for friends with boyfriends who do their homework!
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Post by Victor Van Alberict on May 27, 2008 12:42:08 GMT -5
This is treason in my eyes! If you are taking this story further without me allowing it then your site is not any continuing of mine nor are you welcome on my forums ever again! I have not been online cause I was to busy and also cause I lost interest in it for a while, as well Julie..well I and here were a couple in real life also. However after we broke up, she stopped visiting the site and same did I. Do not lecture me about rights, when you have stolen it. If I had shut the page down then it could be yours to take. However you didn't even ask for it, i allowed you to make a page yes..but not with the name which I made up. You may have believed it was dead, however I never told it would was dead..I kept saying as long I am alive the page is alive. That I promised you all, now your all turning your back against me for sure. Do whatever you like, but you or your forum is not welcome in my collection. Your site is not wotar, yours is just a bullsh*t version of it!
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